On climb-out, especially given the steep angle of attack of the impressive-climbing P.180, its hard to see much out front at all. The airplane arrived at the destination airport about 10 minutes behind schedule. Anyone interested in the truth can re-read Piaggio drivers 4 part post. Piaggios home airfield is surrounded by terrain, and the approach is offset from the inbound course. The engines have pneumatic boots on the intake combining with an engine particle deviator door to avoid ice entering the engine core and a warm bleed air supply to the engine oil cooler intake. These were retracted as we accelerated toward 160 knots. From the beginning, Piaggio Aero intended the Avanti to be a turboprop that played in the same niche as light jets but with better economy and a larger cabin. Try using low-flow fixtures. The sharp sweepback of the horizontal stabilizer ensures the elevators cannot be aerodynamically blanked by the main wing during a stall and thus remain effective throughout, and the main wing, with its high aspect ratio, is positioned behind the rear pressure bulkhead so that the spar does not pass through the passenger cabin, giving an uninterrupted length of 14.93 ft. New eVTOL Aircraft Set to Co-exist Alongside Helicopters, Safran Signals 'War for Talent' within Civil Engine Aftermarket, Newly Certified HAL 228 Variant Attracts Indian Lessor, Vision Systems Brings Dimmable-window Solutions to Heli-Expo, Cessna Citation II: The 'Family Truckster', Training Providers Gear Up for AAM Market, A modest proposal to boost general aviation, FAA Should Use Its Nuclear Option To Save Americas Airports, Analyzing the GAMA 1Q10 aircraft delivery numbers, Mid-Year Aerospace & Air Transport Report. Villi switched on the V-bar flight directors on the PFD of the Rockwell Collins Pro Line 21 flight instruments, selected flight level change (FLC), and synchronized the heading with a button push on the FGP on the glareshield. Cash is cash, and paying another charter company would sink cash. When Flying first flew the Avanti in 1990, we predicted that its great fuel efficiency would be a big selling point, and that has been true. Piaggio P.180 Avanti II: N141JT: Private: 0: Georgetown, TX: sub: 09-JUN-2018: Piaggio P.180 Avanti II: N977RS: private : 0: Tivat Airport (TIV/LYTV) w/o: 03-JAN-2019: Piaggio P.180 Avanti: N990RS: Rainbow Sandals Retail Inc. 0: 20 nm W of Kelowna, BC: Everyone at the company expects to be unemployed very soon. Where the two designs are in accord is that they are both largely stall proof. Theoretically, a newly minted multiengine pilot with a high-altitude endorsement could hop right in and go flying. Along with the wings, the engine inlets and wing leading edge are deiced by bleed air; the tail does without, as do the props, which are heated directly by the engine exhaust blowing over them. Shortly before departure, Villi advised me that the autopilot function of the APS-300 flight guidance system was not available. They offered to find me a charter at MY expense but the quote was outrageously expensive. Most charter operators fly the Avanti II with a crew of two. While things have been dreary throughout the aviation industry for the past 5 years, Avantair was the only fractional airline that did not furlough or terminate pilots due to staffing reductions. It just so happens to be one of the most unusual looking ones too. As we approached this, Lorenzo increased the back pressure and stopped trimming at 1.5 times the stall speed. WebThis rare Piaggio P-180 Avanti is an Italien executive transport aircraft with twin turboprop engines mounted in pusher configuration. Todays airplane has the Rockwell Collins Pro Line 21 avionics suite, with all the bells and whistles. We are not infallible, and mistakes have definitely been made, but we do not deserve the acrid bile from those on this board who have obvious agendas and would celebrate our downfall. The Shape of Fast https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/business-aviation/2018-07-18/pilot-report-piaggio-avanti-evo, Copyright 2023 AIN Media Group, Inc. All Rights Reserved. Piaggio P.180 Avanti: Owner/operator: Avantair Inc: Registration: N146SL: MSN: After two major incidents/accidents in eight months are not all fractional owners, their employees and their families scared to hell for their own safety??? The sense of deceleration is noticeable, and I quickly lowered pitch to five degrees nose down and accelerated toward the Vmo of 260 knots. But this further action is necessary to ensure every aspect of our operation will allow us to reach the next level of safety and performance and exceed the highest industry standard, said Steven Santo, Avantair CEO. Stylish use of mirrors, six good-size windows on either side, and use of light colors ensure the cabin has a roomy feel. At sea level under standard conditions, the Avanti II needs almost exactly the same amount of runway to land as it does to take off, just over 3,200 feet. Then there are the issues with inflight engine shutdowns that happen way early of the engine manufacture time frames. http://www.avantair.com/filings.html. It wasnt the only fast turboprop twin with a forward wing the Beech Starship was a contemporary, though that company stopped production of the composite cabin-class twin shortly after it started it, admitting later that the composite model was so time-intensive to build that it was simply unprofitable. Viva VNR! I know if they fold up its going to be a fiasco as technically we each own a piece of these airplanes so we have a bunch of partners that we don't even know. Although never anywhere near 40 in the last two weeks have been in service. Web Conserve water to avoid overloading the septic system. The crew arrived at the intermediate airport and quickly boarded the two waiting passengers.Theydid not perform an adequate preflight inspection and departed about 5 minutes behind schedule. Avanti II appeared for the 2006 model year with higher thermodynamically rated engines. The wings are held level easily with aileron and a squeeze of rudder. I turned due south and climbed toward the military training area. This story is already out of date, as of today, 10/25/12, the entire is fleet is grounded for the foreseeable future. WebThe Piaggio P180 Avanti II twin-engine turboprop business aircraft is the successor to the P180 Avanti, of which more than 100 have been produced since its entry into service in 79 dated 17 FAA and NTSB reports are only the tip of the iceburg, just imagine what hasn't been reported or swepted under the rug. The second records shows a Piaggio P-180 Today's grounding is the 4th time in 2 weeks they have grounded the fleet, but the previous times they had slowly returned airplanes to service. If not, we hope that you find safe, efficient, and cost-effective travel options in the future. As the flaps travel, there is a nose up pitch that is easily counteracted with slight forward pressure on the column and trim. I could see why 380 is a preferred altitude. This buffet, although it feels like a stick shaker through the column, is all aerodynamic from the forward wing and serves as an excellent stall warning. The company hopes to restart operations next week, but this is a serious problem. When the crew tried to explain that MYF was below approach minimus due to the CAT B limitation, the owner used abusive language and accused them of lying. In attempting to understand the Piaggio P.180 Avanti II, you need to begin by forgetting everything you thought you knew about turboprop-powered airplanes. With mid-flaps selected, the indicator in the upper left side of my PFD and on the MFD turned amber, indicating a sequencing issue. Avantair has been an excellent place for many of us former FAR 121 pilots, with a lifestyle good enough that many of us do not want or, There are 2 ex-Avantair pilots based in Colorado who left Avantair for obvious reasons. Earlier, she also confirmed that Avantairs grounding was indeed voluntary and not mandated by the FAA. The cabin, interestingly, isnt symmetrical; its a little cozier up front than in back. If Avantair does not make it through this we could probably partner of a cheap Piaggio. The professional pilots at Avantair greatly appreciate our owners support and contribution to our careers and livelihoods. That said, they never even sent me a quote, which I got elsewhere for a king air (and a Lear 55, I am taking the King Air). The upper fuselage curves to a peak height just in front of and above the main wing leading edge and then slopes downwards to join the lower fuselage upward curve at a point below the trailing edge of the T-tail that stands with its sharply swept back horizontal tailplane some 13.06 feet above the ramp. We continued to decelerate and shortly after selecting landing flaps, I turned toward the hillside on my left to line up with the runway as we passed through 600 feet. Space laundry washing throughout the week. Ask about it and was told they didn't want to buy replacement parts. Max range / 1,470 nm. Chad, General Data Sheet No. All rights reserved. Mandarin.. Advertising of any kind is not allowed in our comments section. RMR, if you are in Vegas, have you looked at AirSprint as an alternative? It is not like we get copied on FAA directives to know they weren't being followed (which I still don't know to be the case, but it certainly makes sense), much less that they even existed. Flying the Avanti II But with a main cabin height of 69 inches, its easy to move about. Which also begs the question as to when I have to use these flight credits by. But it was not his fault that it. WebThe pilot said he was flying the RNAV GPS runway 36 approach in 3 miles visibility and that the wind was from 070 at 9 knots. RMR, I'm in Jacksonville Florida but I am going so start looking for a partner or two to buy something together. Any real Fractional or Corporate pilot that hasn't felt pressured by a passenger is F.O.S. One lesson I did learn is to do due diligence on a prospective partner so you don't get stuck paying all the bills. The shape, youll see, is not simply for show, though ironically it shows very nicely. But it didn't help in the fact VNR was born in the Decade from hell. The external baggage area is not pressurized. There are more problems than I can fit on this post, but one of the first problems is that these airplanes are flying 2-3 times the hours that Piaggio ever envisioned they would or designed them for. The fuselage, wings, tail and forward wing of the airplane are metal, though admittedly metal that has been shaped and smoothed in a way that makes a compound curve look like childs play. Merry Christmas, kool-aid drinkers. Discretion being the better part of valor, I extended the gear early and reduced speed to deploy the flaps, intending to stabilize nice and early so I could concentrate on flying as accurately as possible. Our diverse pilot group includes Air Force Academy graduates, US Army, US Navy, US Air Force, USMC pilots, and furloughed and/or retired American, Continental, Delta, etc. I HOPE they make it but I'm already making plans for other options. In a jet this would have resulted in a go-around from 10 miles out. If Avantair doesn't do this, FAA will shut them down. On Saturday, fractional provider Avantair grounded its entire fleet of about 60 Piaggio Avanti twin turboprops to conduct a comprehensive examination of all maintenance records and aircraft. According to industry sources, the action stemmed from an incident earlier this year in which an Avantair Avanti shed an elevator in flight. Both flights continued to their destinations without further incident. If range is the mission, getting the Avanti up to FL410 and cruising about 300 KTAS will yield a near-1,500 nautical mile range while still cruising as fast as the competition. Takeoff over 50-ft obstacle (sea level) / 3,262 ft Let me be clear here and confirm that they are just rumors. But, I'm sure that you could have done much better. The plan for my flight was to climb to 30,000 up to the Wichita VOR to do something Id never done before, an RVSM check. With the hammer down and in the low 30s, Avanti IIs can hit 400 KTAS on 800 pounds per hour. Hah, you think the owners don't care about safety? You know get them off the insurance roll. Like the Starship, the Piaggio Avanti features a canard and rear-mounted engines. But the Avanti is made mostly of aluminum, not composites. It weighs thousands of pounds less than the Starship and is about 60 m.p.h. faster. ^ Martin, Ed (29 October 1989). During the descent, we briefed for some stalls, the handling qualities of which Villi was obviously keen to show me. Don. I picked up the Avantair share as a resale through a vendor and paid a lot less then what it would have cost to buy it directly from the company, so at least I'm invested at a much lower number. Other parts, mainly fairings and the like, are composite, but for the most part, Piaggio Aeros Avanti II is a sheet metal airplane. Furthermore, the required pilot aircraft walkaround or preflight check of the P180 at San Diego before departure to Nevada, could not have missed the absent elevator that had fallen off before arrival, if in fact the preflight had been accomplished at all. Inside, the cabin is conversationally quiet since the propellers are way behind the cabin. So happy I left this rag tag joint when I did! Yes. Think of the Avanti II as a jet with props and youll be close to the mark, though in many respects, its not an easy mental shift to make. Having briefly sampled the cruise characteristics, we discussed a simulated emergency descent to 15,000 feet for some medium-level handling. It's because they MUST do it. In the end, the Avanti IIs configuration allows it to achieve light jet speeds in the same way as light jets do, by using a very small, highly loaded wing to go with a good dose of power. We rotated at 105 knots, which is pretty darned fast for a turboprop, using about half of the available 7,000 feet at KDTO. Only records that are readily Landing the P.180, as Id heard previously, is interesting in that the attitude is very flat. Thats slightly less than 100 gallons per hour, a figure light jets simply cant touch. Whatever the outcome, it was and is an honor and a blast to serve our Owners and work with my fellow VNR employees. I had a few seconds to get the feel of the Evo in the landing configuration before I was flaring for touchdown and gradually closing the power levers. I'm not saying that maintenance or pilots did not make mistakes, but it helps to know the entire story before a rush to judgement. Piaggio succeeded in its design goals to create a large cabin as well as a very fast design that puts it squarely in the light jet arena. The P180s have a lot of maintenance issues because they are flown to airliner annual times when the planes were only made for a few hundred hours a year with private owners. The Avanti II gets its best range figures, up around 1,500 nm, at higher altitudes and lower fuel burns, and Grant told me that the range is real, commenting that departed the aircraft. Arriving at the FBO there, the crew were shocked to find the owner and his colleague outside the FBO, on the ramp, unsupervised, waiting for the aircraft to arrive. His record is pristine and out of Vegas, PS Albany has treated him so bad. A traffic target can be out of view in certain positions, at around 2 oclock for the left-seater or 11 oclock for the right-seater. Had this been a 121 flight, the Captain could have had the passengers detained for interfering with a flight crew and stomping out on the supposedly "secured" ramp, but this isn't 121. PT6A-66(B) The Avanti feels very stable and is easy to maintain altitude in while hand-flying compared with other airplanes in and around its class. | Terms of Use | Privacy Policy | Content Policy. Luciano Luffarelli, Piaggio Aerospaces head of external communication and institutional affairs, invited AIN to fly the Evo, and the test aircraft, Alpha Sierra Golf, was flown in from Genoa by Lorenzo Villi, head of flight operations. I have only been an owner for a short time but the flights I have taken have been flawless;The pilots seemed happy and very professional. Avantair and the Avanti have tremendous potential, if we make it. Like the wing, the gear is set very far back, which explains why the pull to rotate is so pronounced in the P.180. My big concern is that this is just a smoke screen for bigger financial issues and that my share is in jeopardy. With all of these maitenence issues and issues regarding fudging pilot hours so they would be legal is scary. Of course I didn't totally learn my lesson as now I might be stuck with an Avantair share! Yes, it does have three lifting surfaces, a T-tail and two pusher propellers but its how they are put together that is the important thing. Pilots are being pushed to the extreme limits of duty time and rest and general morale simply could not be lower company-wide. I would especially reach out to Mr. Norris and others and hope that we will be able to serve you again in the future. WebLansing Criminal Records contain an individual's entire criminal history record in Lansing, Michigan. Now I find out this has been an issue for several days but they have not sent out any communications to the owners mentioning this issue, nor is it mentioned on their website. In other words two failures and occured. If materials were a conservative approach, configuration was not. The anhedral of the forward wing ensures there is no aerodynamic interference with the engine intakes and assists in stall handling. While its fleet was grounded, Avantair outsourced trips to third-party charter operators or, in some instances, told customers it was unable to conduct their flights, a spokesman told AIN. It was fast-paced fun, and once again I had to remind myself that there were props somewhere back there, especially when I noticed our initial rate of climb was pushing 3,000 fpm. Fortunately that was in 2007 and we sold it right before the crash. He was a good guide to have for my first flight in the airplane. The pilots had secured an engine and were having orientation issues due to instrumentation failures. We took up a westerly heading for our return to Villanova. No nose was visible ahead, but down and to the right from my seat I could see the tip of the forward wing and the shapely winglet was at my four oclock. He descended to 1,000 feet to position for a visual arrival to Runway 10 with a touch-and-go. The second engine was started and after-start checks completed. So to Don, you dont happen to live in Vegas do you? My attempt to follow Villis lead to my right seat was not so graceful. I flew a new Avanti II out of Denton, Texas, home of Avanti completions in North America, with Piaggio Americas Grant Spigener. The Avanti EVO is the fastest turboprop available currently. I selected terrain on my PFD to map the coastline. Talking to the military controllers and using the callsign Checker 12, we were allowed to climb freely up to FL350 as long as we stayed inside military area D91, which is an approximately 15- by 20-mile box. I suspect, that they may be going over all documents now for a variety of reasons. We leveled off at FL350 19 minutes after takeoff, I left the torque at 75 percent, and allowed the Avanti to accelerate to Mach 0.64 with an indicated airspeed of 216 knots and a TAS of 373 knots. This is a place worth fighting for and we will hope for the best. FlightAware General. As we climbed, the Vmo of 260 knots was displayed at the top of the speed tape on the PFD and the climb speed was maintained at 160 knots, reducing by one knot for every 1,000 feet above FL300. Anyone have any or both of these checkists? As we returned to our starting point alongside Villanovas smart, modern terminal, we allowed the PT6s to cool for the required two minutes before securing the airplane. So as fast as it is at cruise, its block times suffer as a result of the climb speed and relatively low Vmo (260 indicated) and Mmo (Mach 0.70) limitations. I just read about the one that flipped, but understand, it is only this issue that has me looking at ntsb reports, it is not something most fractional owners do before every flight. A flight credit has very little value unless and until we fly again. The Avanti II gets its best range figures, up around 1,500 nm, at higher altitudes and lower fuel burns, and Grant told me that the range is real, commenting that he has never had to make more than one fuel stop going from any one point in the continental United States to another. For years, Avantis languished on the fringes of general aviation as a niche airplane. Villi selected the Rockwell Collins RTA-800 weather radar on his nav display via the display control panel down the side of the PFD, to monitor a cell just inland. The airplane is nicely stable on final. He's been flying for 10 years and is available for piaggio owners The co-pilot was not fired. That all changed in 2003 when Avantair put the design thoroughly on the map in the United States as a successful fractional-ownership provider of Avantis. I can't speak for the maintenance personnel involved in this, but I know that the pilot and co-pilot were both fired for failure to perform a pre-flight check. The foreplane is essentially a portion of the wing moved to the front to allow the main wing to be moved further aft in order to create a larger cabin. pilots. There is a lot owners don't know and it is shocking. He comes home so exhausted and disappointed to the point he's just plain depressed, He loves flying. The flare required is very small, just enough to cushion the touchdown, so the nose drops very quickly to the runway. They have a history of lying. At 160 knots, he handed control over to me, and we climbed at 2,500 fpm. The unique rear mounted turboprop engines makes the Avanti instantly recognisable. Don. I wont get into the details of it here, but suffice it to say Grant was busy with taking notes as I flew the airplane. It has delivered nearly 200. WebP180 Avanti General Description. Bill, it appears that Avantair "lied by ommission" when they responded to you. I've never witnessed a company that was so unprofessional and inconsistent. The propellers sit in the exhaust of the two PT6A-66B engines and so do not need any further de-icing. Being a turboprop, however, it uses a fraction of the fuel jets would use. Piaggio P.180 AFM TC No. I know both crews involved in the Flint, MI and the elevator incident. They are a public company and having your fleet grounded is a material issue yet they are not disclosing this issue as far as I can tell. So to say that all is negative is wildly incorrect. To demonstrate the first stall, Villi leveled at 15,000 feet, and with the power levers remaining closed, we decelerated at 1.5 knots per second as shown by the purple trend vector on the PFD airspeed strip. The Starships forward canard controls pitch whereas the Avanti has a conventional stabilizer/elevator surface. The Avanti takes that formula and pushes it to the design edge, achieving that performance with a great deal less power than in comparable jet products and with the best cabin in the class by a long shot. While I flew, Villi checked the Airplane Flight Manual and the performance graphs corroborated these figures to within a couple of knots at ISA +5. Sounds like they are on life support and being read their last rights. In simpler terms, that means the engines maintain their 850 shaft horsepower to a higher altitude thereby increasing true airspeed of the airplane through the thinner air. They "couldnt" find a charter in time (by 2pm as I had to be back), so they put me on American Airlines. I'm a fractional owner and the first I heard about this fleet grounding was 11pm last night when I got an email from owner services saying my flights for this morning at 9am and return tomorrow were cancelled. I started looking at commercial flights, figuring SWA flies there and it would be inexpensive anyway. The Avanti II does indeed have a big cabin, the best in its class by far, and it also has good speed and range, and best-in-class fuel efficiency. A most serious maintenance error especially since the elevator installation work would have required a RII type (double) inspection. Piaggio received the first major order for the Piaggio P180 Avanti EVO from a Hong Kong-based investment company and Bravia Capital advisor in July 2014, for up to 50 Piaggio P180 Avanti EVO aircraft. Both crews included experienced professionals that could have easily been flying somewhere else. 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