The Nabateans Also two Saheeh reports are contradicting each other: One the one hand, they are resting at al Hijr, while on the other hand it is said that they didnt rest at all and kept riding away faster from Hijr. The arguments against the Quran and Hadith are as follows: Al-Hijr Archaeological Site (Madin Slih) UNESCO World Heritage Centre. [22], The first wave of Arab immigration to the Maghreb began with the conquest of the Maghreb in the seventh century, with the migration of sedentary and nomadic Arabs to the Maghreb from the Arabian Peninsula. 9. He said, "My people, worship God. I would be interested in your response to my other points as well. Traditional Quranic commentaries assumed that they were a South Arabian people, but it turns out, they had their base in Wadi Ramm in present-day Jordan. 5. Also, the Prophet () did in fact mention the dwellings in a separate hadith. Not every opinion that he held was necessarily a divine revelation. The people of Noah, when they denied the Messengers, We drowned them and made them a sign for people We have prepared for wrongdoers a painful punishment and Ad, Thamud, the companions of the well, and many generations between them. And We saved those who believed and had Taqwa. A report in the hadith collection of Bukhari makes this connection between Thamud and al-Hijr quite explicit. Among such nations were the 'Ad and the Thamud, the Amalekites and the Himyar after them, the Tubbas, and the other South Arabian rulers (Adhwa). These Arab tribes have played a role in the demographic changes in the Arab world through the increase of the Arab population,[8] as well as the ethnic, cultural, linguistic, and genetic Arabization of the Levant and North Africa.[9]. declares the LORD. Other later Arab migrations in Iran include the mostly cross Gulf migrations of Arabs into Hormozgan and Fars provinces from modern day eastern Saudi Arabia and other Gulf States, post 16th century. Salam. Seriously? Indeed, we see in you foolishness and indeed, we think you are of the liars.Chapter 7, Verse 66, Have you come to us that we should worship Allah and leave what our fathers worshiped? And they were also well-built because they still exist today. Have not read their own bibles. [4] This entire passage has been sent by Sharif. Your email address will not be published. Claim that the Edomites are not Thamud thus the verses are irrelevant. Its not an easy read, especially as most of the stories leave the reader perplexed in terms of their relevancy to ones personal life or attainment of anything didactic that enriches or nurtures a relationship with God. Thats all the Thamud had to do. Year_ May , 2021 -. When they came here, there would have been many buildings and they made their buildings alongside them and eventually, theirs outgrew the previous ones. Or there fallen down relics are still better than you houses now 3. or there fallen down relics show they are/were better than you 4. 7. Answer (1 of 7): Yes They were called the people of Aad and they were ancient arabs. Nevertheless, a number of interesting archaeological sites still exist in Arabia that have preserved the ruins of lost civilizations, such as the Archaeological Site of Al-Hijr (Madin Slih). Yet how can we prove that there was a Prophet sent to them since Allah SWT does not punish a nation without sending one? [2] We do not know where they went, but they carried on the practice of stone carvings in the mountains. The Nabateans who made the carvings in Madain Saleh and Petra, as well as other Arab groups like the Dedanites/Lihyanites, are their successors. The Ghassanids, Lakhmids and Kindites were the last major migration of pre-Islamic Arabs out of Yemen to the north. They also fell to idol-worshipping. Ok thanks jazzakkallah last questions and ill leave it at that what do you mean not on the surface and is 89:9 saying the Arabs could still see those buildings because it says (the rocks it uses al the why not just say rocks and what does it mean by rocks does it mean houses or mountains thanks Furthermore, their prophets, Hud and Salih, are often considered two fo the four Arab prophets that Allah sent to mankind. Verses 15:80-83describe its inhabitants as carving their homes out of mountains and being decimated by a loud shriek characteristics ascribed by the Quran elsewhere to the people of Thamud2. Large numbers of Bani Rasheed are also found on the Arabian Peninsula. [14] The Thamd in question were Roman auxiliary troops, as the inscription states explicitly: For the well-being of the rulers of the whole world Marcus Aurelius Anthoninus and Lucius Aurelius Verus, who are the conquerors of the Armenians. Overall, in my opinion the response could/should be revised in light of some of the points mentioned here. They are mentioned in the Quran as examples of civilizations that Allah had destroyed because of their sins and as signs of the fleeting nature of the worldly power. And We gave them Our signs, but from them they were turning away. But it was hamstrung and eventually killed by nine people of Thamud, who then attempted but failed to kill Salih himself. But the fact that they spitefully killed an animal that had done them no harm and for no good reason is proof and a sign of their evil. Hence, they had become very rich. In the worst cases, they may even go so far as to challenge Allah. We have no concrete evidence that Nabateans were destroyed. It is possible that Edomites and or Thamud did carve out structures in the region, Nabateans, who came later, were inspired at some point during their history by the structures and proceeded to make a few of their own. Also bonus when you say there buildings were not on the surface what do you mean do you mean the outside was gone but you could see the inside like a cave do you mean that, 15. If we remember that Ismails mother (Hajjar) was an Egyptian, or Coptic, slave, and his father Prophet Ibrahim (AS) was Babylonian, then its obvious that he couldnt also be Arab. There is no good reason to suggest that these tombs never served as a place of dwelling, as they are large enough to do so. 1995. International Dictionary of Historic Places. They are called "Skulls" because it is thought that the skull is the most important part of the body, and the majority of Arab tribes are descended from these major tribes.[37][38][39][40][41]. The Aad and Thamud were both located in the northwestern part of modern day Saudi Arabia near the border of Jordan. They were more sophisticated than the Aad. We must look at them, ponder over the signs of Allah and take heed. From the overall area of a few miles, that particular area of a few feet had Thamudic remains. I think its just like 43:47, 21:12, 32:26 and 37:73. They lived in houses carved into the surface of the earth. 62-63]. Ptolemy, who lived in the second century, wrote that the "Thamuditai" tribe inhabited the Red Sea coastline, and that the "Thamoudenoi" tribe lived in inland northwestern Arabiaeither or both may be references to the Thamdwhile his contemporary Uranius believed that the Thamd neighbored the Nabateans. They are related to the Banu Abs tribe.[33]. Thamd, in ancient Arabia, tribe or group of tribes known to be extant from the 8th century bce to the 5th century ce. [29] The second Arab tribal migration to northern Mesopotamia was in the 10th century when the Banu Numayr migrated there. Here is how their argument goes: The Quran describes prophet called Salih ( ), who lived in the Thamud tribe. Even though we dont know for sure how this succession took place, I like to think that perhaps there were a few survivors from that windstorm that wiped them out. Objection number 2 is not a major problem once we consider the various factors involved. We are in grave doubt about what you are asking us to do." This individual was probably a merchant or official in service of the Babylonian court. Edomites, Lihyanites and Nabateans inherited this skill? They felt that their habitations would, somehow, secure them from destruction. A Brief History of ` Ad and Thamud ` Ad is the name of a person who is in the fifth generation after Sayyidna Nuh ( ) and is among the progeny of his son Sam. As were dealing with an allegation that is mostly Christian in origin, I am going to start with what the Bible says about the topic. The Middle verse in chapter (25) of the Noble Quran talks about Noah's people, Ad (the people of the prophet Hud) and Thamud (the people of the prophet Salih). Fill in your details below or click an icon to log in: You are commenting using your WordPress.com account. declares the LORD. Let me explain who they are People Aad, and they are said to be called Aad by the name of their father, an extinct Arab tribe mentioned in the Qur'an . And God knows best. Have you not considered how your Lord dealt with Aad; of Iram of the lofty pillars? (Quran 89:6-7). Also what time do you think noah ad and thamud came. So nothing availed them [from] what they used to earn. This is attested by Safaitic inscriptions (beginning in the 1st century BCE) and the many Arabic personal names in Nabataean inscriptions. Instead, the camel is killed by a certain "accursed Amar", and the camel's foal stands upon a rock and curses Thamud, leading to the tribe's annihilation except for a single lame woman who is spared to spread the message of the destruction. Regardless, the thamud tribes structures remained for people to see according to Quran. There is no special connection between these scripts and the tribe of Thamud. There is a place called Khyber at Pakistan/Afghanistan border but that is NOT the Khyber of Madina. It makes it specific but is not related to time. Also you said 89:9 means a valley is not Madain al saleh a vally or is it not While every effort has been made to follow citation style rules, there may be some discrepancies. 7. Also there were no prophets between Isa AS and Muhammad SAW which is another issue to clarify. From some understanding, it is derived that Thamud were an ancient Arab people well before Musa (as) and possibly well before Ibrahim (as) and hence the tombs (no dwellings to be seen in the present day ruins) must be very ancient and not recent like the Nabataeans. Their dwellings remained but very partially When Allah sent their brother Salih (AS) to advise them of the true faith, they rejected him just like the Aad had rejected Hud before. However, that does not solve the dilemma of who carved out the hills and mountains in Petra because the Edomites existed prior to the Nabateans, who according to the Christians were the ones who carved out the mountains and hills of Petra and Madian Saleh in 1st or 2nd century B.C. And Ad and Thamud-it must be clear to you from their dwelling places! [5], A surviving letter from Nabonidus, a sixth-century BC king of Babylon, includes an order that a "Te-mu-da-a Ar-ba-a-a", apparently "Thamudi Arab", be given several talents of silver. Arabization and Islamization of Syria began in the 7th century, and it took several centuries for Islam, the Arab identity, and language to spread;[19] the Arabs of the caliphate did not attempt to spread their language or religion in the early periods of the conquest, and formed an isolated aristocracy. Akkadians are from Prophet Hud pbuh. And does the verses before say the Arabs could see the Arabs loft pillars or just saying what they used to do 89:6-8 [pp. ""- . [27], This article is about the ancient Arabian tribe. [24] These tribes advanced in large numbers all the way to Morocco, contributing to a more extensive ethnic, genetic, cultural, and linguistic Arabization in the region. Indeed, the Quran states that many generations came after the first tribe of Thamud without specifying an exact timeline. The earliest Arab tribes emerged from Bedouins. The first ancient tribe of Thamud should be distinguished from later tribes named Thamud by historians and archaeologists, as well as the region itself, which was known as the land of Thamud and sometimes simply Thamud.. We have no firm textual evidence as to where they went, but their pattern of rock carving survived for millennia among their successors in the area such as the Nabateans, the Dedanites, the Lihyanites who supplanted the Dedanites in Dedan in the last century BCE and 1st century CE and others. Before sending the punishment on them, Allah sent two prophets to these nations. The ruins were identified by the Prophet (s) as belonging to those who wronged themselves, without ascribing them to the very first tribe of Thamud. The Tribes of Arabia (Arabic: ) or Arab tribes (Arabic: ) are the ethnic Arab tribes and clans that originated in the Arabian Peninsula. Thamud scripts and finds are noted in the area as well as possible signs of the ancient people before Thamud. The Bible does contain verses about a particular nation known as the Edomites, who did carve out structures on mountains and who were destroyed by God. [16] Scarcity of water and of permanent pastoral land required them to move constantly. We simply do not know the true date and timeline for when the first Thamud of the Quran existed and, therefore, it would be difficult, if not impossible, to accurately identify the ruins of such an ancient civilization that lived thousands years ago. Heres how Allah describes their punishment. Mostafa Badawi, in his book Ancient Prophets of Arabiasays thatthe people ofThamdlived in the 8th century BCE in the al-Hijr region and were destroyed. Assalam alikum so is 89:9 present tense or past tense the altheana jabbu al sakrah bilwadi bit and you are saying that the thamud dwellings have gone destroyed after the prophets time, And Is madain al saleh wadi alQura or is wadi alqura some where else, And do you think there houses were destroyed before or after ibn kathir and could the land of thamud be petra ir yemon because there is a town called thamud in yemon, And does 27:52 mean there dwellings were destroyed or empty and could 89:9 mean there dwellings just of been caves in the prophets the outside gone fallen if you know what I mean and can. 2 See, I will make you small among the nations; They trace their lineage to Abbas, uncle of the Islamic prophet Muhammad. Yusuf Ali. Omissions? Im also inclined to believe that these nine families were the direct descendents of those believers who escaped the land of the Aad with Hud. Most decent Muslims would never do such a thing, but there are many misguided people who do. [17] The Muslim governor of Egypt encouraged the migration of tribes from the Arabian Peninsula to Egypt to increase the Muslim population in the region and to strengthen his regime by enlisting warrior tribesmen to his forces, encouraging them to bring their families and entire clans. He said: ., Do not enter (the dwelling places) of these people unless you enter weeping, but if you weep not, then do not enter upon them, lest you be afflicted with what they were afflicted with [Bukhari]. What we do know is that the Nabateans lived a nomadic life style. Nabateans built over them means in general sense; it does not mean that each and every building was replaced by the Nabateans. The caliphate also allowed the migration of Arab tribes to Egypt. He sent Prophet Hud (AS) to the Aad, and Prophet Salih (AS) to the Thamud. Unfortunately, both nations rejected their prophets. It is not a revealed book any more and hence, we are not bound to believe in a few thousand year old civilization our scriptures do not mention any such thing. If accurate, the Prophet Salih (s) would have lived many generations and perhaps centuries before Moses. Good reply Adeel. The Arabs on the Iranian side of the Gulf tend to speak a dialect much closer to Gulf Arabic opposed to the Khuzestani Arabic which is closer to Iraqi Arabic. Heavy contact with Romans resulted in us having a pretty decent record of its territories and people. The wordings themselves state so and all the tafaseer also state this. Because inscriptions cannot be relied upon with 100 percent certainty, its possible that the inscriptions are Nabatean while the structures are not. The same can be said of Median Saleh, much of the area is still hidden under sand. The Story of Adam (The First Man) _ part 1. And when you strike, you strike as tyrants.Chapter 26, Verse 130. Its in their records, that we find out first mention of Thamud. The verses are fairly generic as there has been mention of people of Lut and Shoaib that are also very close proximity. And as for Aad, they were destroyed by a screaming violent windstorm which Allah imposed on them for seven days and eight nights straight. Possible answer: Their messenger lived before or even during the time of Isa (as), this also the time where this site flourished, but when they denied him, Allah did not destroy them immidiantely. The terror you inspire They were successors to the People of Noah. The sentence, This structure is not only large enough and a couple more contained links. Dont ignore them. Create a free website or blog at WordPress.com. Then remember the favors of Allah and do not commit abuse on the earth, spreading corruption. [7:73. Routledge. If the Bible tells us nothing more, at least it illustrates that carving out structures on mountains predated the Nabateans, and that is all we need to refute the Christian allegation against the Quran. According to Arab tradition, the Adnanites are called Arabised because it is believed that Ishmael Spoke Aramaic and Egyptian then learnt Arabic from a Qahtanite Yemeni woman that he married. One of the main lessons I see is that we must be very careful about mocking or challenging Allah. And 'Ad and Thamud (people)! Beni Hassan defeated both Berbers and Black Africans in the region, pushing them southwards to the Senegal river while the Arab tribes settled in Mauritania. The Kingdom of Thamud was the first existing kingdom on the Arabian peninsula, according to Assyrian and Roman sources. There are some scholars who say a mountain split apart and the camel walked out. God then destroyed the tribe, except for Salih and a few other righteous men. [5] In 1846, many Arab Rashaida migrated from Hejaz in present-day Saudi Arabia into what is now Eritrea and north-east Sudan after tribal warfare had broken out in their homeland. They may have later acquired Hellenistic techniques and applied them on their structures. Most of the monuments and inscriptions of the archaeological site of Al-Hijr date from the 1st century BCE and the 1st century CE. Jazak Allah, Ok thanks jazzakkallah that about it thanks but out of the 8 theorys I put down before witch one would you pick to be the best interpretation thanks and when you say (archaic) do you mean that are civilization is better then the people of AD relics or the other way round that there relics are better than are houses or do you just mean there relics are better then the mekkahans houses and madian houses etc I didnt really understand you by that bit but thanks for your helping jazzakkallah. Like does 89:9 mean what thamud used too do like example pharoh killed people on stakes or does it mean what they have done like example the pyramids. The Thamud (Arabic: , romanized:amd) were an ancient Arabian tribe or tribal confederation[1] that occupied the northwestern Arabian peninsula between the late-eighth century BCE, when they are attested in Assyrian sources, and the fifth century CE, when they served as Roman auxiliaries. A number of them branched out, which later became independent tribes (sub-tribes). The above article contained links to images which do not show up in here after I copied and pasted them from my ms word. Continue the discussion, Ok thanks so what does atharan mean in classical arabic or can it mean effects and results in classical arabic as well can it mean made as well as left jazzakkallah, And you said that there remains will show they once were better then you do you mean like if throw there might only be a few bricks left those bricks will still show they once were better because of the size of those bricks and how they were carved and the same with broken pillars even this they are broken the size of the circle shaped and the way they are cut they show that they were once supier and still are by the relics than you is that what you mean jazzakkallah by there relics show they once were better even there not that great now like old roman and egyptian bricks not standing but lieing down decaying but we can still tell they built better stuff like all I have to do is find one large bone of a dinosaur to know they are big that I dont need to find a lot of bones to know that is that what you mean jazzakkallah, I mean witch of these sound more like what the verses are saying 1. The facades vary in height and in the richness of their decorations. The Akkadians are the Arameans who are the Chaldeans who are the Nabateans who absorbed The Amorites. The second lesson is to watch out for the signs in our lives. Under the Umayyad Caliphate, Arabic became the official language in Egypt rather than Coptic or Greek. In sum, missionaries and polemicists contrive an accusation against the Quran by obscuring, deliberately or not, the meaning of Thamud in the Quran and its relationship to the complex array of archaeological sites in Arabia. . SUHIH MUSLIM _ THE BOOK OF HEART-MELTING TRADITION 40 Hadith Qudsi_ Al Nawawi's Forty Hadith. They were able to build great structures and buildings, They had children to carry on their progeny. This genealogical relationship is further reflected in the theory . [6], Thamd is also mentioned in Classical sources. The Edomites and Thamud The pride of thine heart hath deceived thee It becomes rather implausible that a people who a had a law against building a house, would then start constructing breathtakingly massive structures from the rocks of the mountains themselves. I dont know and this is a good aspect of the Quran; it does not go into such things and instead instructs us to focus on the message and not the nitty gritty. One Who missed the Friday Prayer should pray Zuhr: Moving the Finger in Tashahhud : Fatwa Collection_ 40 short hadiths filled with wisdom. God destroyed them. Nabateans replaced them and built on them/around them To Aad was sent the prophet Hud; to Thamud, Saleh, and together with another mysterious figure, Shoaib, they constitute the only three pre-Islamic prophets mentioned in the Quran that have an exclusive Arab provenance. The prophet was a man of his times and of his own personal experiences, he could have attributed what he saw to the Thamud due to the fact that the Thamud lived on the exact region as these ruins. Question:What is the correct explanation for the P --* _ . They were so proud of their accomplishments, that they built huge castles, palaces, and other structures as symbols of their power. "[22] The stone constructions of Hegra are actually mostly from the Nabataean period, especially the first century CE. They are mentioned in the Quran as examples of civilizations that Allah had destroyed because of their sins and as signs of the fleeting nature of the worldly power. Allah does not want wrong for the servants. Qur'anic accounts of Salih always follow those of Hud. ** For what purpose is the tale of 'd and Thamd? their country was called Arabia Petraea, the rocky; and their metropolis Petra, the rock: Jerom says that they that inhabited the southern part of the country and dwelt in caves cut out of the rock, to screen them from the heat of the sun: or, thou that dwellest in the circumferences of the rock F16; round about it, on the top of it, in a tower built there, as Kimchi and Ben Melech. In my opinion this is an argument that Muslims have to tackle thoroughly due to its ease of presentation by non-Muslims and (hypothetical) explanatory power. The story of Miraj- Isra _ Suhih al Bukhari, Can you brush your teeth in Ramadan? ___ : __ >> :____ Fatwa __ . Did the Prophet try to execute a man without proof? And perhaps, just like the Aad before them, they forgot the faith of Tawheed practiced by their ancestors and slipped into worhsiping idols. It had no written law, but the tribal leader played the role of ruler. The world is a prison-house for a believer and Par ()_ (): _ _____Terminology of Hadith. Meaning ibn kathir thought these tombs were built by thamud as well but got it wrong, I agree also Im of the opion the hadith witch says dont enter the dwellings I think the prophet said dont enter the lands not houses because there are only 4 hadith witch mention that and 3 of them doesnt have the arabic word for dwelling there any way thats why dwelling is in brackets also the one hadith what does mention dwelling in arabic misken can mean land any way because it is used in the quran and there are some places it is translated as dwelling places not literally houses so Im of the opion the prophet was saying dont enter the land and even if it did mean houses it could be that there were a few bricks in the valley plain there and that is what he meant because if it was the same area then that is why some people think the prophet meant the nabateans buildings jazzakkallah also in verse 40:21 out of the 8 theorys I have put down witch one do you think is the right one what does atharan mean to you jazzakkallah because if it means remains then it just means there were just a bit of large bricks broken pillars there witch just shows they were better than the Arabs jazzakkallah what could be what the prophet meant dont enter the fallen down houses what ever left of there builds like a few large bricks and broken pillars, Also those 4 hadith dont mention thamud by name in just says the land of al hijr or the people of al hijr or region of al hijr but never thamud but yes I agree with the well but there are Wells all over the region of al hijr like al ula and such also al hijr might be anywhere with a rocky area like yemon or jordan also there is a place in oman called al hijr so could be anywhere like yemon also there is a place called thamud in yemon near where ad lived near hadramawt so you see what I mean could be there, Assalam alikum I was just wondering how do we explain 28:58 witch nation is it talking about and is it talking in past or present tense because this verse sounds like its talking about thamud those buildings witch were built by nabtions. 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